Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group
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Posted - 2008.12.16 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 16/12/2008 21:41:12
 Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Cristl
Originally by: FreddyCheeseman
Ged Satti, you deserve a cookie  Why dont people believe in ECCM as an effective counter?
Well, an ECCM takes up a midslot, and has no other benefits to the ship besides reducing the effect of a module that *may* be used against it.
Imagine there was a midslot module that gave you increased immunity to enemy target painters or remote sensor dampeners (but with no native bonus like decrease sig or increased scan res) would many people fit it?
Midslots are at a premium; it's definitely hard to justify devoting one to a module whose sole purpose is to reduce (not even negate) the effect of one ewar module that may possibly be used against you.
I can fly falcons (currently with recon 5, ewar skills at 4) and they are are *too* focused on what they do. I can pretty much permajam 5 enemy HACs from about 220km away for example. That's too big an effect for a single ship tbh.
I believe a LOT of the problems people have with ECCM is because of a misconception regarding the purpose of the module along with the limited utility outside of its anti-ecm focus.
If ECCM were powerful enough to warrent general use on all ships in a fleet, I would argue that it would utterly destroy ECM ships ability to influence the battle. Afterall, until jam chances are lower than about 25% a battleship being jammed will have little direct impact in a fight, once you consider relock times.
ECCM instead is best used on ships built around the concept of disrupting enemy ECM activities. On such ships, ECCM is used in the same fashion as an armor plate of a shield hardner - it provides a margin of defense. Unfortuantely, there is only ONE race that really has strong candidates for anti ECM duties is the very race that fields ECM ships in the first place. Caldari ships are a perfect marriage of high native sensor strength (they field the only HAC's that can't literally be permajammed for example), and the ability to engage at the native ranges of ECM ships easily. In this case, you'll find that an anti-ecm Raven for example can handily achieve over 100k EHP, a sensor strength that can easily exceed 100 points and the ability to project 2k effective alpha strikes out to falcon ranges.
I'm sorry, but what happened to remote sensor dampers again? They got the crap nerfed out of them and with the combination of sensor boosters becoming very very common, especially with battleships, so lets rewrite your statement -- "If Sensor Boosters were powerful enough to warrent general use on most ships in a fleet, I would argue that it would utterly destroy damp ships ability to influence the battle." -- so why shouldn't the falcon experience the same thing that Arazus & Lachesis have to deal with.
A solution that I thought up -- Give sensor boosters a ECCM script.
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